Adam welcomes Joe Kutner to the show. Joe is a Software Architect at Salesforce Heroku. He's been writing and speaking about the 12 factor app for years and continually evaluating the practices at Salesforce Heroku.

Adam & Joe discuss the misconceptions of the 12 factor app and the gaps between the 12 factor app and continuous delivery requirements. This is really a follow up discussion to the earlier episodes on the 12.1 Factor app.